This article is a continuation of the Piezo 101 Introduction to Piezo Basics. In this article we move from theory and general information to how-to info you can put to direct use in your builds. There are two main themes to this section: WHERE you should mount your piezo, and HOW you should mount it. Both of these are very important to consider when your goal is to get the best possible sound out of your cigar box guitar.
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Piezo Placement Options
A piezo is a versatile electrical component, and the options for placing one in your cigar box guitar are pretty broad. We will cover some of the most popular/effective placements here, and in the next section we will discuss some different ways of mounting them to help get the best sound.First though we need to talk about one of the nicest features about a piezo, and that is that it can be cut and shaped to fit your intended placement. So long as you are still able to attach one lead to the ceramic and one lead to the metal, it will still function as a pickup. So you can cut a thin strip for attaching to/embedding in a bridge, you can cut an oblong oval for mounting under the lid, or some other custom shape. You can also drill a hole in the piezo and put a screw through it to mount it instead of glue. This feature makes the simple piezo even more versatile for use as an instrument pickup.
In/On the Bridge
Many builders get good results from either embedding a piezo inside the bridge (sandwiching it between wooden pieces, for example), or by attaching it to the outside of the bridge. You can paint the piezo to help match it to the color scheme of where it being attached, just make sure you don’t use a conductive paint! The wires can be run down through a hole drilled just behind the bridge, and attached to a jack in the body.
Between the bridge and the Sound Board
Because a piezo reacts to vibrations, placing it directly underneath the bridge, so that it is sandwiched between the bridge and the outer surface of the soundboard (the top of the cigar box that makes up the top of the instrument) is a prime location for picking up sound. As above, the wires can be run through a small hole drilled through the sound board and attached to a jack. This method is especially good if you carefully cut the piezo to match the base of your bridge. However, this method doesn’t leave many options for insulating or cushioning the piezo (see below).
Inside the Box
Perhaps the “standard” method of mounting piezos in Cigar Box Guitars, attaching the piezo to the inside of the box has been used by many, many builders over the years. Finding just the right “sweet spot” for it inside the box can be a bit of an art form, and will vary from build to build and box to box. Our advice is to start with it just below the bridge, more towards the bass side (the fatter strings) than the treble side. If possible, build your CBG in such a way that you can open the box after the instrument is complete, so that you can try moving the piezo around to test how it sounds in different places inside the box. Remember that the piezo responds to vibration. The more vibration it encounters, the more sound it is going to put out – so having it as close as possible to the epicenter of vibration (the bridge) is generally recommended.
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The great thing about Cigar Box Guitars is that there is so much room for experimentation. If you try something and it doesn’t work, just take it apart/undo it and try something else. This premise definitely applies to piezo placement – you can put them all over the place and see what kind of sound you get. One could be placed under the nut up at the headstock to see what sort of sound is produced there. Or one could be placed down in the tailpiece. Or you could go hog-wild and put piezos under a strip of wood all along the neck. The end result might not always be practical or pleasant to listen to, but you will have fun doing it!
A Note on Multiple Piezos
You are certainly free to use multiple piezos in a single build. Doing so can provide some interesting opportunities for creating unique sounds. The question often arises as to how multiple piezos should be wired – in parallel or in series. To refresh, wiring in parallel means that each piezo has its own wires that run back to the jack. Wiring in series means that you “daisy-chain” them one to another so that only two wires go back to the jack. There is some varying opinion on this, but the majority opinion seems to be that you should always wire piezos in parallel. When wired in series, each piezo changes the total impedance (think “sound pickup potential”) of the whole circuit, so wiring in parallel tends to produce more consistent results. However, here again – experiment with both and reach your own conclusions!
Piezo Mounting Methods
Having discussed WHERE you should mount your piezo, now it’s time to talk about HOW you should mount it. There are a few basic ways of mounting a piezo, which will of course depend on where you decide to mount it. Most of these methods apply to when you are mounting the piezo inside the box, but some of the principles can be applied to other mounting placements. Methods of mounting range from taping it to the inside of the box, to gluing it using a variety of different glues and adhesives, to drilling a hole in the piezo and mounting it with a small screw, to encasing the piezo in some other material before mounting. We will discuss each of these briefly in turn, to give you an idea of the pros and cons that apply to each.
This is probably the simplest way to attach a piezo to a cigar box. It can be used either inside or outside the box, but if looks are a concern you probably won’t want to slap a piece of duct tape to the outside of your build. A good strong double-sided tape is a good choice for this, as is duct tape, though of course there is a chance that in time it will let go. Tape can be a good way to test a piezo in different spots, if you are able to open up your box after it is complete. Once you find your “sweet spot” though we would recommend moving on to one of the other attachment methods to make it more permanent.
Using glue to attach a piezo is probably the most common way of doing so, and we feel it is one of the best. A range of different adhesives can be used, from epoxy to hobby cement to silicone adhesive to hot glue. Pretty much any general purpose glue or adhesive will work, but in our experience those that offer a bit more insulation are best. For example, a rubbery adhesive like silicone can help to insulate and cushion the piezo a bit, creating a buffer zone between it and the hard wood of the box top. As will be discussed in more detail below, this cushion can help to modulate and moderate the sounds and cut down some of the harsher tones. Hot glue from a glue gun can also be used to encase the piezo and give it some cushion. An adhesive that dries hard, like epoxy, will provide less cushion and can lead to your piezo being “hotter” in terms of what it picks up. As mentioned above, if possible it can be a good idea to try your piezo in different placements with tape before gluing it down permanently.
It is fairly easy to drill a small hole in the center of a piezo so that you can put a screw through it for attaching it to your box. Just be sure to wear gloves or (gently) hold the piezo with pliers when drilling – a spinning metal disk can cut your fingers badly before you even have time to react. Also be sure to choose a short enough screw so that it will not go all the way through your box – this can be a very unpleasant surprise. One thing to note about using this method is that by itself, it provides NO cushion or insulation for the piezo at all. You just have the bare piezo against bare wood. This can cause some harshness in the pickup’s response, so consider putting something between the piezo and the wood to cushion it a bit. A small piece of rubber or a small dollop of plumber’s pipe dope can work good for this. See below for more discussion on cushioning and insulating a piezo.
One of the biggest complaints that people tend to have with piezos is that they can be a bit harsh, sound-wise. Whether the issue is with the piezo picking up too many clicks and scrapes when the sound board gets brushed while playing, or tending to be a bit “shrieky”, the results are not always exactly what we had in mind. Fortunately, there are steps that can be taken to help insulate the piezo a bit to help modulate the sound and cut out some of the more annoying stuff. There are two primary methods: using just glue, or a sandwiching method using some other materials to encase the disk before attaching it to the box.
The glue cushioning method involves using a rubbery adhesive, such as silicone or hot glue, to provide a buffer between the piezo and the sound board. This method was discussed above under the “gluing” section, and there is not much more to be said about it here. Just be sure you really try to encase the piezo in the glue, with a nice thick layer between it and the sound board. Try to get over 1/8 inch if you can, but experiment with different amounts to see how it affects the sound.
The encasing method involves sandwiching the piezo between some other material(s), such as thin pieces of wood, small pieces of leather, etc. This method can also include dipping the piezo in some sort of rubber coating liquid, like the liquid vinyl they sell for dipping tool handles in. The point here is to cushion and insulate the piezo a bit, so that its harsher tendencies are reduced and it produces a more even, pleasant tonal response. The options here really are wide open for experimentation. Look around your house and workshop and you are bound to come up with some wood scraps, bits of leather or cloth, rubber, or various other materials that could be used for encasing a piezo.
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Piezos and Pots and Jacks, Oh My
Before we’re done, we should briefly touch on the topic of potentiometers, or pots, in conjunction with piezos. A pot is basically a turnable knob, such as a volume or tone knob on a stereo. A pot is a variable resister that controls how much current/voltage is allowed to flow through the circuit. When used with a magnetic pickup, there are a lot of interesting things that can be done in terms of affecting both the tone and the volume of the sound output. With piezos however, wiring in a tone pot doesn’t really have any noticable effect, so we won’t get into that here. Much more useful can be wiring in a simple volume pot, to allow you to adjust the output volume right from your guitar. For this purpose you generally want a 500K audio taper potentiometer wired into the circuit between the piezo and the jack, though a 250K pot can also work. Linear taper pots can also work, but they don’t effectively increase the perceived volume as evenly as the audio taper (the reasons are fairly advanced, electronically, so we won’t get into it here.)
The shaft of the pot can be mounted right through the side of the cigar box, and a knob (either homemade or store-bought) placed over the end of it to dress it up a bit. This can be a nice finishing touch for your build.
Well that is just about all you need to know (and then some) to get started with putting a piezo pickup into your Cigar Box Guitar. We have talked about what piezos are and a little bit about how they work. We have discussed the different options available with piezos, such as pre-wired, brass vs. stainless disks, and size. We have covered some of the key topics surrounding where you should mount a piezo in your build, as well as discussed how you can mount it to best effect. Finally, we touched on some of basic aspects of adding a volume pot into your build.
We hope that you find this information useful in your building, and that you are able to create ever better Cigar Box Guitars because of it. Be sure to check out the various electronics components we offer in our web store, including various sizes of piezos, jacks, and pots!
6 thoughts on “Using Piezos in Cigar Box Guitars: Part 2 – Placement & Mounting”
This is invaluable information! One topic that is conspicuous in its absence, however, is any mention of using some kind of mounting putty for attaching a transducer. I’ve found this method invaluable for temporarily affixing a piezo to the outside of an instrument while searching for the elusive “sweet spot.” Brands I’ve used include Scotch Removable Mounting Putty, Scotch Removable Mounting Squares, UHU Tac Removable Adhesive Putty, and LOCTITE Fun-Tak Mounting Squares. Is there a particular reason you don’t mention using such a material for this purpose?
Is there any consensus on piezo mounting for a paint can lid resonator cbg?
Direct to underside of lid? Direct to neck just under lid? Spacing?
You have a great question, Susan. It’s a little difficult to answer well here in the comments without example pictures and such. Would you mind emailing us at firstname.lastname@example.org? It’s through that channel that we can best help you with this situation. Thanks, Susan!
I have a beautifully-made 3-string that was a gift from the maker. I’d prefer to not drill it, and can’t open the box. Is there a way of running an external jack from a piezo mounted under the top by the soundhole that will not require drilling?
It may work, but it will probably be pretty prone to feedback. Let us know how it works out!
Thank you for this information. I had an idea of encasing a piezo in a small metal box and also connecting the jack to the box. I envisage a moveable pickup you could move around the guitar or to other instruments. Do you foresee any issues with that? Also, would magnets in any way affect the piezo? Thanks again.